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MarkII
Here's a little info on a my recent ROV build, MarkII. This is my second design which was made partially by scrapping the original. My original goal was, and still is, to make it to 300ft, have movement, and see/record video. With MarkII I made improvement to overall weight, buoyancy, and just making it simpler and cleaner. And more smarter too.
The breakdown:
PVC Hull
Modified bilge pumps x 3
LG CCTV 480TVL camera
RC Plane 4CH controller and receiver
RC boat brushed ESC x 3 (boat ESC's have reverse, most car ESC's don't)
MR16 style LED in 6500K from Color Kinetics
MR16 submergible fixture
325ft neutrally buoyant tether with reel
Laptop for viewing/recording video topside
Power inverter 120VAC/12VDC
Design Theory:
Most of my design is standard issue, PVC, modded bilge pumps, etc. So I'll get to what might be a bit more interesting. Starting from topside I have 2 12V batteries on the boat powering a DC->AC converter which makes 120VAC. I send 120VAC down the line because 12VDC across the 325ft tether means voltage drop like crazy. And this way, no voltage issues and no dead batteries. Control is from topside via 4CH RC plane transmitter.
On the other end of the tether is the ROV and a switch mode power supply giving me 12DC again from the 120VAC. 12VDC runs everything on board including motors, lights, sensors, and camera. I have three ESCs (electronic speed control) one each for port, starboard, and dive/surface. This gives me up, dwn, fwd, rev, left, right, and pivot on center. The ESC's also give proportional control instead of just on/off. The control signal for the ESCs is PWM and comes the RF receiver. Also on board the ROV are flood sensors with two LED indicators. One on the junction/control box and the other is near the camera lens. In a flood event both LED's illuminate, indicating a bummer. The LED near the camera lens, but out of frame will light up the video screen topside with RED YOU'RE DEAD!
Camera is pretty simple, 12V in, video out and up tether. Lighting is done by LED and is at 6500K for a very cool look, and only draws 500mA. Instead of 3-6A of a standard MR16 lamp. This leaves plenty of headspace on the power supply for those hungry bilge pump motors.
The tether consists of three separate cables and a buoyancy strip of round foam insulation. One small flexible coax for video, one 18gauge pair for 120VAC, and a small 22gauge wire for the RF transmission through the water. For those laughing about me sending RC plane controller RF through the water, thats what the 22gauge wire is for, and so far it works. To 70ft so far anyway, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed to 300ft!
A few things I learned from the first build was really trying to control weight and volume because of the adverse effects this has on agility in the water. Making it as neutrally buoyant possible from the start WITHOUT adding weight for added agility. Keeping everything as modular as possible for repairability and so changing an aspect are part doesn't require a complete redesign. Thats what started the second design in the first place! I can remove the camera, powerhead, and junction box from the frame and make changes very easily. Also, the camera and powerhead will slide forwards and backwards by hand to adjust trim. The tether is removed with the lid off the control box to allow separation and also to inspect for any leaks post dive. Connections are made for the tether inside the control box and the lid is installed with wings nuts for easy set up/tear down.
The Future:
If all goes well and I make it to 300ft, I'm going to make some improvements. Starting with a HD network camera, more sensors (water temp, depth, etc) and an Arduino with an ethernet shield to do control and send everything topside by ethernet. I'll hopefully replace the RC plane controller with a PlayStation controller as well.
I'll be back with more later!
The breakdown:
PVC Hull
Modified bilge pumps x 3
LG CCTV 480TVL camera
RC Plane 4CH controller and receiver
RC boat brushed ESC x 3 (boat ESC's have reverse, most car ESC's don't)
MR16 style LED in 6500K from Color Kinetics
MR16 submergible fixture
325ft neutrally buoyant tether with reel
Laptop for viewing/recording video topside
Power inverter 120VAC/12VDC
Design Theory:
Most of my design is standard issue, PVC, modded bilge pumps, etc. So I'll get to what might be a bit more interesting. Starting from topside I have 2 12V batteries on the boat powering a DC->AC converter which makes 120VAC. I send 120VAC down the line because 12VDC across the 325ft tether means voltage drop like crazy. And this way, no voltage issues and no dead batteries. Control is from topside via 4CH RC plane transmitter.
On the other end of the tether is the ROV and a switch mode power supply giving me 12DC again from the 120VAC. 12VDC runs everything on board including motors, lights, sensors, and camera. I have three ESCs (electronic speed control) one each for port, starboard, and dive/surface. This gives me up, dwn, fwd, rev, left, right, and pivot on center. The ESC's also give proportional control instead of just on/off. The control signal for the ESCs is PWM and comes the RF receiver. Also on board the ROV are flood sensors with two LED indicators. One on the junction/control box and the other is near the camera lens. In a flood event both LED's illuminate, indicating a bummer. The LED near the camera lens, but out of frame will light up the video screen topside with RED YOU'RE DEAD!
Camera is pretty simple, 12V in, video out and up tether. Lighting is done by LED and is at 6500K for a very cool look, and only draws 500mA. Instead of 3-6A of a standard MR16 lamp. This leaves plenty of headspace on the power supply for those hungry bilge pump motors.
The tether consists of three separate cables and a buoyancy strip of round foam insulation. One small flexible coax for video, one 18gauge pair for 120VAC, and a small 22gauge wire for the RF transmission through the water. For those laughing about me sending RC plane controller RF through the water, thats what the 22gauge wire is for, and so far it works. To 70ft so far anyway, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed to 300ft!
A few things I learned from the first build was really trying to control weight and volume because of the adverse effects this has on agility in the water. Making it as neutrally buoyant possible from the start WITHOUT adding weight for added agility. Keeping everything as modular as possible for repairability and so changing an aspect are part doesn't require a complete redesign. Thats what started the second design in the first place! I can remove the camera, powerhead, and junction box from the frame and make changes very easily. Also, the camera and powerhead will slide forwards and backwards by hand to adjust trim. The tether is removed with the lid off the control box to allow separation and also to inspect for any leaks post dive. Connections are made for the tether inside the control box and the lid is installed with wings nuts for easy set up/tear down.
The Future:
If all goes well and I make it to 300ft, I'm going to make some improvements. Starting with a HD network camera, more sensors (water temp, depth, etc) and an Arduino with an ethernet shield to do control and send everything topside by ethernet. I'll hopefully replace the RC plane controller with a PlayStation controller as well.
I'll be back with more later!
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One word.... BRILLIANT!
It looks absolutely amazing and you certainly know what you're doing. I can't wait to see it in action, 300ft you say! I couldn't even dream of going to that sort of depth, what are you using for your camera housing? I would imagine that is something like 150 PSI (or something like that, I think it is 1ft = 0.5 PSI in salt water).
It looks absolutely amazing and you certainly know what you're doing. I can't wait to see it in action, 300ft you say! I couldn't even dream of going to that sort of depth, what are you using for your camera housing? I would imagine that is something like 150 PSI (or something like that, I think it is 1ft = 0.5 PSI in salt water).
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Re: MarkII
Wow! 300 ft. What kind of bilge pump are you using that can go that deep?
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I'm going to make to 300ft one way or another The Camera housing is an ABS plumbing coupler, reinforced dome from the security camera's housing and a rubber plumbing coupler cut down to put it together. One thing that seems to be working great for sealing things, especially rubber things is Mercruiser Bellows Sealant. It's a super heavy duty rubber cement used to seal rubber component on boat engines.
And yes the math says I'll be dealing with something like 130-150psi at those depths. So far it has made it to 70feet with no problems and you can see video of that and the recent pool test of this design in the "Mission Footage" section on this forum.
I'm using standard bilge pump motors that modified with double seals, I don't know if they'll hold up at the 300ft mark, but we'll find out.
And yes the math says I'll be dealing with something like 130-150psi at those depths. So far it has made it to 70feet with no problems and you can see video of that and the recent pool test of this design in the "Mission Footage" section on this forum.
I'm using standard bilge pump motors that modified with double seals, I don't know if they'll hold up at the 300ft mark, but we'll find out.
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How exactly are you going to run you 120v and then convert down on the ROV I've been toying around with the same idea? (Power inverter 120VAC/12VDC)?????
Are you going to convert 12v dc in the boat, transmit, and drop back to 12v ac then a rectifier for dc or do you have a ready made setup?
Thanks for any info.
Are you going to convert 12v dc in the boat, transmit, and drop back to 12v ac then a rectifier for dc or do you have a ready made setup?
Thanks for any info.
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How much did you pay for your ESCs/ where did you get them????
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And Also (Sorry for the deluge of questions) where did you get the submersible mr16 fixture??? I can't find one cheaper than 40 dollars.
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biglakeexile, if I may add to the deluge, could you show or tell details of your "325ft neutrally buoyant tether with reel"? Thanks
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Re: MarkII
Sorry for the delay everybody, let me see if I can answer all the questions, and give an update.
The method of getting the power to the ROV via 120 feed is explained above, but to recap, 12VDC batteries on the boat -> off the shelf Inverter to 120VAC -> down the tether to the ROV -> switch mode electronic power supply converts 120VAC back to 12VDC -> motor ESC's, lights, camera, RF reciever, etc.
The ESC's were on sale at Hobby People for about $10each. They're made for Compass RC boats. These were preferred for 1) Price and 2) they have reverse and most car ESC's do not (brushed ESC's anyway).
The bilge pumps were taken from the black and yellow Johnson/Mayfair model 500.
http://www.wholesalemarine.com/p/MAY-28 ... otors.html
The MR16 housing is made by Malibu and WAS available at Lowe's. I bought four on clearance for $10each. I think they were originally about $40. They were going to send them back to malibu after they didn't sell at a clearance sale and I have to haggle with the managers on 3 different occasions to sell them to me. Finally one manager one day said, "oh you want those?....$10 each" I bought all four.
However, they're not that great. Leak like a sieve beyond 10ft, so mine is no mineral oil filled. Which works at depth, but is now leaking oil on the shelf. Next time I'll just make some and oil fill them.
I'm going to try to attach a pic of the tether reel I made to hold the 330ft tether, hopefully that works. Otherwise, it's the frame from a Craftsman scooter chair thing from the garage, a cable reel donated by my local Home Depot, and PVC axle and hand crank.
Not sure where I left off with updates, but the ROV was a success to 130ft, then had a leak at 280ft but got successful video on all dives. Check "Mission Footage" for more info.
Good luck everybody! And I'll be back with more updates soon.....
The method of getting the power to the ROV via 120 feed is explained above, but to recap, 12VDC batteries on the boat -> off the shelf Inverter to 120VAC -> down the tether to the ROV -> switch mode electronic power supply converts 120VAC back to 12VDC -> motor ESC's, lights, camera, RF reciever, etc.
The ESC's were on sale at Hobby People for about $10each. They're made for Compass RC boats. These were preferred for 1) Price and 2) they have reverse and most car ESC's do not (brushed ESC's anyway).
The bilge pumps were taken from the black and yellow Johnson/Mayfair model 500.
http://www.wholesalemarine.com/p/MAY-28 ... otors.html
The MR16 housing is made by Malibu and WAS available at Lowe's. I bought four on clearance for $10each. I think they were originally about $40. They were going to send them back to malibu after they didn't sell at a clearance sale and I have to haggle with the managers on 3 different occasions to sell them to me. Finally one manager one day said, "oh you want those?....$10 each" I bought all four.
However, they're not that great. Leak like a sieve beyond 10ft, so mine is no mineral oil filled. Which works at depth, but is now leaking oil on the shelf. Next time I'll just make some and oil fill them.
I'm going to try to attach a pic of the tether reel I made to hold the 330ft tether, hopefully that works. Otherwise, it's the frame from a Craftsman scooter chair thing from the garage, a cable reel donated by my local Home Depot, and PVC axle and hand crank.
Not sure where I left off with updates, but the ROV was a success to 130ft, then had a leak at 280ft but got successful video on all dives. Check "Mission Footage" for more info.
Good luck everybody! And I'll be back with more updates soon.....